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JennyStokes's avatar

SOME of this I agree with BUT down to basics Pontifex. Starmer is NOT Labour. For heavens sake he has Blair on board.

I hope the UK sinks into the ocean and just goes away.

Starmer was (I think a Humanitarian Lawyer) what is humanitarian about supporting Israel?

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Alex Potts's avatar

I feel like a lot of this fails the question of "how would you like it if a Tory government behaved this way?" How would you like it if a Tory government attempted to prevent a future Labour government undoing its reforms? How would you like it if a Tory government politicised the BBC to do its bidding for it? (You don't even have to imagine it - these things have already happened under Tory governments past and present! And you don't like it, do you?)

I think it's fair that you would disagree with this. You could make the utilitarian case that the ends justify the means; however, forgive me for be a bit of a bleeding heart here, but for me maintaining democracy is the most fundamental end of all, and changes that get you even what from your perspective are substantial wins aren't worth the candle for me.

(And for what it's worth - I'm not particularly interested in a Labour government forcing future Conservative governments to run more public services directly when the evidence shows that Conservative governments are really bad at doing that!)

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