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Peter Ashby's avatar

I think Sturgeon is just virtue signalling so that EU Scots will vote SNP next May. She as you correctly point out has no credible plane for achieving independence.

As for your proposal it should say a majority for Yes parties, not just SNP or the rest of us, I'm in the ISP, will see it as just another attempt to get people to waste their list votes on the SNP in the face of huge d'Hont divisors.

Here in the NE Region ALL the seats last time, even with not all the constituencies going SNP only unionists were elected on the List.

There is also the possibility if we can get 25-30% of SNP voters to vote ISP of getting a supermajority at Holyrood which our EU partners will recognise.

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Pontifex Minimus 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿's avatar

I think it being a majority of Yes parties is a good idea. I'd also like to see them adopt identical wording on using the mechanism of UDI if Westminster doesn't play ball. WM clearly doesn't want to let us leave (partly because coming soon after Brexit it would make that policy, and the people behind it, look bad).

Regarding d'Hondt -- If the SNP get 50% of the consituency votes they could easily win all 9 consituniecies in a region and then 50% of the list vote would give them zero extra seats. There's also the problem of an applied threshold of about 6% in each region in order to get elected which obviously hurts smaller parties. Personally I think the system should be more proportional as then it would be more responsive to what people care about. So I'm not a big fan of the AMS system, although it is obviously a lot better than FPTP.

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Peter Ashby's avatar

My info is that the margin is 5% and that is a common thing in PR systems. NZ runs national lists and the threshold there is 5% though there if you win a constituency you can boost people below the 5% threshold into parliament on the List.

The 6% might be because you have to get over 5% but it can be 5.5%. Here in the NE it is only 14,500 votes. We have the radical Yes city to recruit voters in as well as Angus which is SNP and was Yes.

Once the voting starts falling below 5% is not an issue. Some unionists were getting elected by just 7,000 votes in the end of the rounds. So 5% is just the entry threshold.

As an officeholder etc in the party I'm relaxed about the 5%. Lots of SNP people see the point wrt d'Hont (the maths is absolute) and will vote for us but obviously cannot say publicly on twitter or wherever.

We can't encourage folk to vote SNP in the constituencies as that is an electoral pact and the electoral commission will come down on any hint. The most we can say is that we hope people think carefully and vote Yes in the constituencies.

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